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Contarini's avatar

Pretty convincing!

It makes me want to listen to the three hour podcast -- but I probably can't.

In addition to making it shorter, go all-in the other way: turn it into a short book and make it available by Kindle and print to order.

It is a jarring reassessment and deserves wide dissemination and discussion.

Be sure to send this article to Pearce!

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

Thank you Contarini! Dare I send it to Pearce? 😬

OK I will! Thanks again!

Contarini's avatar

Absolutely send it!

You guys should do a podcast together about it.

Nick Bryant's avatar

Yes, indeed, Mr. Fredericks takes us on a deep dive that one has to ponder. The vampire symbolism he delineates puts Romeo in a very different light. Please excuse the pun. The play is also replete with Masonic symbolism. And his interpretation of the Friar and Nurse as evil doers is certainly an interesting take, but one that is not baseless.

JJ's avatar

I love this take and it becomes so blisteringly obvious now. Great job!

JJ's avatar

You're welcome.

Simon's avatar

"We can safely put away any notions of some that Shakespeare secretly advocated Catholicism!"

This line is mostly familiar to me from Clare Asquith in 'Shadowplay' and how she constructed it is most interesting. Her central claim is that every time "Shakespeare" uses "high" or "fair" (or close synonyms thereof) he means Catholic and the inverse ("low" and "dark") means Protestant. Small problem: "low" and "dark" were commonly applied to anything an author wanted to look bad. It's nonsense. What Asquith really wanted was to find a way to give Stratford Will the university education he so obviously needed - so if he was a secret Catholic then, she argues apparently seriously, he was smuggled into Catholic-sympathising Oxford under an alias! That's how he learnt it all! Don't worry about the specific references to Cambridge.... or that the whole thing is a fantasy house of straw.

Is Clare Asquith just some random eccentric? No. Her mother is Viscountess Sidmouth. Her husband is Raymond Asquith, great-grandson of H.H. Asquith UK PM 1908-16. Quigley and Docherty/MacGregor have plenty to say about Asquith the PM. There are few men with more blood on their hands. Raymond Asquith was British Ambassador to the USSR in the 1980s - a "safe pair of hands" in situ for momentous events.

Clare Asquith isn't the only female Stratfordian writer with some interesting connections. Charlotte Stopes 'The Bacon/Shakespeare Question' is probably the worst slice of Strafordianism it's been my displeasure to read. It's like being locked in a room with Stanley Wells, Jonathan Bate and James Shapiro. The section where she tries to paint C16th Stratford as Florence-upon-Avon and Mary Arden as some sort of cross between Catherine De Medici and Jane Austen is unintentionally hilarious. Well, Stopes' daughter was no other than Mary Stopes, the insane eugenicist and Britain's answer to Margaret Sanger! Charlotte Stopes wrote as "C.C. Stopes" and CC=33.

I'm not going to rehash the evidence that Stratford Will was Catholic or Protestant. It's a classic fake binary. Authors like Asquith and Stopes will never admit (except perhaps very obliquely in code like "freethinker") that these are not the only two options - Gnostic, Luciferian, Pagan, Middle Eastern, even outright Satanism, these are all off the table in the way they're trying to shape the debate.

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

WOW. Mind blowing. Desperate measures to shore up the Shakespeare Hoax facade, these high class ladies may even have done it on their own initiative, the Bardic programming runs so incredibly deep. But their connections to the deep state and the idea that the hoax is an important state secret suggest otherwise. They are, however, getting quite creative aren't they?! Stratford Will a secret Oxford graduate. RIGHT. Desperate times require desperate measures.

HILARIOUS: "Clare Asquith isn't the only female Stratfordian writer with some interesting connections. Charlotte Stopes 'The Bacon/Shakespeare Question' is probably the worst slice of Strafordianism it's been my displeasure to read. It's like being locked in a room with Stanley Wells, Jonathan Bate and James Shapiro. The section where she tries to paint C16th Stratford as Florence-upon-Avon and Mary Arden as some sort of cross between Catherine De Medici and Jane Austen is unintentionally hilarious"

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Thanks for the details on more recent English history. Asquith huh? I have heard the name. Grim.

Brady Nash's avatar

Ive heard it described Shakespeare has completed "negative capability", an elusiveness to his psychology,further compounded if like many of us you believe there's something pseudonymic about Shake-Speare.

During my read of the canon, it was my intimation that Shakespeare seems to take the opportunity to have a character praise pagan gods whenever he can lol

Id still like to echo Bacon predecessor Philip Sidney, who in his Defense of Poesy makes the claim the point of Poesy/fiction is hide stuff in it, "lest be abused by profane wits".

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

That's a huge part of what they were doing- hiding stuff in the poetry. It keeps coming up. Which only makes it more insanely brilliant.

Henry Solospiritus's avatar

Sacrifice, blood and death are the themes, the memes, the beasts and thrall we cannot stop our gaze from seeking. Egregores conjured by subsumed personalities, that are no longer Beings, cross screens and stages to delight and terrify those waiting for their turn to burst into flame annihilated by the Divine.

Mari Glading-Ho's avatar

Thank you for totally enlightening me to Shakespeare's hidden language meanings. I had no idea. Yes, Romance! It is brilliant indeed.

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

Thank you very much Mari.

Tim West's avatar

Listened to all 3 hours. (I subscribed)

An amazing piece of work.

I would point about the bit with Gold being denigrated by Romeo - Gold is the sun.

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

Thank you very very much sir! Coincidence - I just did a search on gold as the today! there ya go. took me looong enough- right- duh- Gold is the sun. It’s weird how important the sun always is. I mean I get it but…It’s just always the sun. Alchemy is a huge key to ShakesBacon and I’m pretty ignorant…I meant it all seems kinda silly to me…sulfur, salt, nigredo, mercury, silver, gold….It hasn’t gripped me compared to astrology say. Which is all about the sun too I guess. Hercules is the sun. Anyway alchemy is something I need to learn for the symbolism. Dew is apparently very important. ShakesBAcon is always on about ‘dew’.

sumwoman's avatar

...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dew_point

The section titled "relationship to human comfort" caught my eye.

Dew is one aspect of a very important cycle... the water cycle that daily rules our lives.

Dew is caused by a phase change. The atmosphere goes through several phase changes through out the day and night.

I'm wondering how the word Joules might fit in.

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you might want to view my presentation about the word Abracadabra.

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

Dew is very important. They would gather it on the solstice as even more potent. It's mentioned over and over, esp in MND and R&J. It's pretty magical...someone called it the breath of the earth. I'll check out abracadabra...

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

I agree and I feel the same way! Astrology seeks to explain and understand and connect, alchemy seeks power and control. Alchemy is new to me as well! ShakesBacon is drenched in it, as is Freemasonry. It gave birth to modern Science, so the old language disappeared. I think Bacon saw it as a potent metaphor for social alchemy. He changed alchemy into Science and into social engineering simultaneously. Yes, it's always about the Sun, which I believe is a symbol of the god they worship, the god Beyond God, the Gnostic pleroma. It appears that alchemy required a human sacrifice back in the day.

Radu's avatar

Reminds me of an obscure Romanian novel that one traditionalist critic regards also as cover for hidden alchemical meaning. In Vasile Lovinescu's exegesis of Mateiu Caragiale's work he states that out the modern authors only Dostoyevsky and Meyrinck 'knew something'. This means that our little unknown author that seems to touch so many themes 'not found in books' might be some kind of vessel. That might explain also the Shakespeare debacle, if one isn't inclined to grant him the honor of being as 'enlightened' as Dostoyevsky, he might have been one of the laymen that René Guénon speaks of in Le Saint-Graal:

“Even a layman can be chosen for the externalization of esoteric data and to serve as a spokesman for an initiatory organization, which has chosen him only for his qualities as a poet or a writer or for some other contingent reason-this organization can always guide him, without him realizing it, or through some of its members, who give him the data to be processed, or through suggestions or influences of another kind, more subtle and less tangible, but no less real or less effective. It will be easily understood that this has nothing to do with the so-called poetic "inspiration", as the moderns understand it.”

I started my SS translating/commenting on this very subject, as I found out that there was no English translation to be found, and noticing that this kind of analysis with which you also engage here is quite rare.

I can't help but wonder how many other things laying in plain sight are just like R&J carrying 'baggage'. In a way I guess it's better not to know as we are SO not ready. But nevertheless, we are prone to fuck around and find out. Maybe we are collectively Juliet.

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

Fascinating. Yes I agree- it's clear they plant ideas into heads- that's what's happening in Midsummer Night's Dream and Macbeth and The Tempest. But Shakespeare was just a dumb front man. Maybe even Hamet when he tells the players what to play. Who would be more likely to represent what Guenon is talking about...hmmmm....not sure but I get his point.

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

Alchemy is no doubt their secret language. Just getting hip to it....

Michael Gendre's avatar

The sun fixation connects with Apollo IMHO

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

Yes! Apollo called out by name a couple times. Once as ‘Phoebus’. His full name is Phoebus Apollo. Once as Phaethon his son who drove the sun chariot off course. Juliet prays to him to speed up the coming of the night.

Kimberly MacEachern's avatar

About twenty years ago I was flying back from Italy seated next to a ten year old kid who was dragged along by his mom on a "teacher's tour" of Italy, the only kid in the group of seven or eight adults. I asked him what was his favorite place and surprisingly he said Verona. I revealed to him that R&J was actually a fictitious story and he was stunned. I felt bad for bursting his bubble and worse for the fact that teacher's gave him the impression it was history!

The Hidden Life Is Best's avatar

Incredible!! Hey, I understand your pain! 😀 Thanks for sharing.

Romeo and Juliet- a stupefying poison, a mockery disguised as a love story. Hard to believe such clandestine horror is possible with poetry.

En garde!

philalethes's avatar

You are a diligent researcher, but still in the "objective" phase of decoding the human psyche.

It is imho very true that "the old gods did not die...if at all."

Here I direct the adventurous into the area of Bronze Age repeated civilizational collapses, when multiple layers in archeology show cities burnt to ashes, and stone MELTED...these were not human invasion army events, but if your mind can indulge such ideas, look into the post Velikovskian school like Talbott, Cochrane, De Grazia...et al., and that ...as the ancients said...the "gods" were planets...viz. Mars and Venus, whose orbits were unstable then (yes throw out all of the authoritative guess work of Uniformitarians who insist our skies havent' changed for millions of years). They passed closer to earth numerous times causing huge electrical interchanges which set off extreme weather on earth, drought, famines, flooding of coastal regions...Wars in Heaven overhead, as in the story of Troy between Venus and Mars.

Check out the melted huge Egyptian statuary at Avaris, topped edifices, glass fused at high temperatures....

Humankind has gone through terrible shock more than once; these "gods" looming overhead gave us the appearance of the "Aton" which because the basis for the El Amarna revolution; the cause of the 2nd Exodus and the birth of the YHWH on the fiery electrified mountain .. these are hints for you ...

Mankind was left in PTSD, fear of the "gods," and amnesia, with the Collective Psyche both stirred and shaken; old memories were shunted into the subconscious, the Shadow Self, but these memories and fear of world's ending and of god's punishing us for having sinned ("what did we do wrong?} ...this leads to the propituary rituals of sacrifice that still haunt us, trying to regain "God's" favor...or at least buy Him off. We keep acting out the Old Drama that scared the bejeezus out of us.

As for dear Francis, can you imagine being such a sensitive young genius, who frequented the best libraries, such as Dr. Dee, and others who were the insiders of their day? Soon enough he likely found out he was Elizabeth's bastard, a genius who should have been king, but her rightful paranoia about betrayers and supplanters around her (the fear of every monarch who came to the throne from war and blood), kept him pushed away. You suppose he might have had some mommy issues?

But he was destined to try and renovate that old world of blood wars; you find the plays grim and full of the magic and pagan ritual, the fear porn that was born from the astral catastrophes I have pointed you toward? This was the truth of the underground rivers of ancient Trauma (I point you to a clue that in German Traum means Dream) and these Dramas he brought to the surface to illustrate are a form of Recall and Release. A necessity to face.

This was the era when the Venetian banksters had moved north into Holland and were now invading England...the forerunners of the Money Men who rule the world from the City of London. The most ancient and ill of the Venus Comet catastrophe days. Venus...Venice...

While you sit here in your pajamas complaining about the "technocracy" that made your comfortable existence possible...with all this world of knowledge for you to plumb,...perhaps you might show more gratitude to Francis and his Band of Brothers who conspired to birth a New World. It is estimated those boys added many thousands of new words to English, to make it now the lingua franca of the internet world.

What then was so bad about the English empire becoming the prime engine to connect the world. What other country would you prefer? In fact, with all your fear porn about the realities of our world, what other Age would you prefer to live in if you could go back? You want to live in the illiterate time of the Bible and their superstitions?

You don't grasp the meaning of real Masonry..or Rosicrucianism...you only see the political pretenders who put on those masks, just like today's rotten televangelists and con men..

You mock the Mysteries---likely you have never lifted the veil of your own persona to look into the depths of the ancient software we run on, the instincts and drives...but IF you ever dare to drink the entheogenic cup...as I have many many times...you will find all of those characters in the Plays within...love hope innocence avarice lust ...to die and be reborn...to be a leaf swept along on the white water torrents of the Life Wave, the Tao...a mote soon swallowed up trying to find a safe shore...then discovering Death is but a passage into a New World...your part was played and you leave the stage...only perhaps to play another character.

Lord Verulam and his jeweled mind are far to big for you to understand, for he came to us as the Divine Mind downloading into a man...for God embraces ALL & EVERYTHING...and in this is the paradox of contradictions,.. of things sweet and lovely, and dark and terrifying. This is the Truth of the world we live in...perhaps it's an obstacle course for souls and not meant to be gentle...for when has it ever?

I don't mean to dissuade you from your investigations...but you have only entered the labyrinth, and have yet to meet YOUR Minotaur at the center of your being...much less finding your way out. This is the Great Adventure for the curious soul and seeker wanting to understand the Creator in ALL His ways, crooked and straight.

sumwoman's avatar

I'm wondering if the word ululate is useful with respect to the name Juliette and even Julie?

ululate: Borrowed from Latin ululātiō, from ululō (“to howl, shriek, yell”).

ululation: "howling," as of a wolf or dog, ... Sanskrit ululih "a howling". (Related to the word owl.)

I'm reminded of the name Lilith: Female evil spirit, in medieval Hebrew folklore the first wife of Adam, from Hebrew Lilith, from Akkadian Lilitu, which is connected by folk etymology with Hebrew laylah "night."

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I'm wondering if Lilith may be a reference to oral traditions and ancient liturgy.